Was Wall Street Drunk, Stupid, or Evil?
Few people would disagree that Wall Street lenders, hedge fund and investment banks got a little giddy during the credit boom, extending loans left and right and buying up risky securities linked to dodgy home mortgages.

The result was, in the now-famous words of U.S. President George W. Bush: “Wall Street got drunk. It got drunk–that’s one of the reasons I asked you to turn off the TV cameras–it got drunk and now it’s got a hangover,” Bush said Friday at a fund-raiser in Houston. “The question is how long will it sober up and not try to do all these fancy financial instruments.”
It is unclear why Bush felt discretion was required for this pronouncement. After all, the idea that Wall Street risk management got out of hand is conventional wisdom. In Saturday’s Wall Street Journal, James Grant asked why there isn’t more American outrage about what UBS called “the greatest failure of ratings and risk management ever.”
And comparing Wall Street’s behavior to drunkenness isn’t an insult, it is an understatement. What is more, it probably isn’t even the best metaphor.
Now, we aren’t taking issue with Bush’s way of speaking here; his chatty, breezy demeanor is well known by now. We’re just wondering whether drunkenness is really the way to describe the situation, even though we have used a version of it ourselves in the past.
But being drunk implies being under the influence, a foggy state where alcohol calls the shots and individual morality often seems to take a holiday. That isn’t what happened on Wall Street: the thousands of traders and executives that pumped up the credit boom made specific decisions to buy ever more collateralized debt obligations. They saw competitors making a mint and followed suit. If they were under the influence of anything–hold your jokes, please–it was greed(not that that’s a bad thing), or at least adrenaline.
Nor did Wall Street get “drunk” on credit all in one bender. It took years–from 2002 to 2007–to build up to the fever pitch of ever looser lending requirements and debt that carried nary a protective covenant for holders. Some people might instead use the metaphor of a frog in boiling water–the water on Wall Street wasn’t hot in 2002, but soon it simmered and then reached a boil without the frog realizing the danger it was in.
The conventional question when something goes wrong is whether the offender was evil, or just stupid. Reasonable minds can disagree about the best course of action, and some might maintain that such investments seemed like the best idea at the time. After all, nothing on Wall Street is permanent and you make your money when you can, where you can. The Wall Street Journal has reported in the past that Merrill Lynch’s Osman Semerci and Dow Kim, for instance, aggressively pursued CDO and mortgage business to boost profits even while then-executive Jeff Kronthal was opposing such moves because he felt the end of the mortgage boom was near. Is that stupid, or does is another metaphor more apt: that of musical chairs–someone had to be left without a chair when the music stopped.
And evil? Were those who fueled the credit crunch using borderline-dishonest methods or did they outright misrepresent the securities they were selling? The picture here might be the dastardly villain from the 1920s, twirling his mustache as he tied the maiden (or bundles of CDOs and other mortgage-backed securities) to the railroad tracks. The regulatory investigations pending on many related issues may provide the answer.
In the end, Deal Journal readers, we put it to you: What is the best metaphor to describe the behavior that fueled the credit boom? Was it drunk, evil, stupid or something else entirely?
Update: MarketBeat chieftain David Gaffen gets at the heart of the matter by asking: If Wall Street was drunk, who was the bartender doling out the drinks? Read his post to get the answer.
Photo courtesy of Flickr user Frenkieb.
Evil and Greedy!
People who take Wall Street at face value deserve to lose money.
They aren’t evil but amoral and agnostic.
If the product sells, they assume it must be good.
The average executive in Wall Street doesn’t understand why markets go up or down any better than the general population. They just make more money.
if your entire world view is predicated on the belief that tax cuts cure all ills, and that any sort of regulatory supervision — even of FDIC insured banks by the Federal Reserve — is an evil to be avoided, well, then, it might look like drunkenness to you.
To everyone else, it merely looks like an incompetent administration executing an ill thought out philosophy, and poorly at that.
Nothing stupid about it…gluttonous greed!
It was undue influence of the banking industry over Congress and regulators and it will not change until we root it out of the political process.
Why is it a bad thing when a politician speaks his mind and tells the truth?
It was evil and greedy so the Fed should not get involve.
My opinion of the true causes is at the end of my article here.
on a 5 year coke binge
Evil on the part of the perpetrators and stupidity and laziness on the part of the regulators who either weren’t watching out for the interests of the public or couldn’t keep up with the details of the ever increasing complexity of the financial instruments being created. But the real bottom line is about next time… will enough of those who caused the problem suffer consequences sufficient to prevent them (and others) from doing this again? I doubt it. How many mortgage brokers who used deceptive practices and who made tons of commissions are going to suffer anything? How many executives who made a bundle are going to keep their bonuses? I think the answers are obvious. And we get to pay for all of it!
Pure greed is in style. It trumps prudence and due diligence now. Witness the Tech Bubble at the turn of the century, the housing bubble and now the oil bubble, all stoked by a hyperventilated business media. What will be next?
The problem is that the people in control make 100s of millions of dollars (even when they get fired) and so there is really no one in control with any real skin in the game. Sure they could make millions more if they remained employed, but do they really need it? There should be clawback mechnaisms in place in every ecexcutive employment contract to disgorge past ill-gotten gains. Or, better yet, have a higher percentage of their compensation set aside in escrow (not in options, the value of which can be manipulated by juicing earnings, etc.), contingent on the occurrence of certain future events.
The other measure of accountability lies with the corporations. Everyone hates frivolous litigation, but when the threat opf class actions all but disappears and the SEC and state AGs are all either asleep at the wheel or in Walll St’s pockets, then who can you turn to? A FINRA or other arbitrator?
These people were definitely drunk with greed, but there’s no Dram Shop liability to collect on, so the public gets screwed again.
It is systemic evil that will never go away, unfortunately.
I think “horny” is the proper metaphor here. Guess who got screwed…
If the people in control of the companies and the companies themselves had any sort of accountability (not just bankruptcy), situations like this would be less likely. Corp execs have no real fear of losing their jobs because they already have abunch of money in the bank and get ridiculous severance payments even when they are fired for cause. Corporations have no real accountability because of overreacting “tort reform”. There are many legitimate claims that cannot now be prosecuted because of various laws passed to squelch consumer and onvestor protection. Sure you;d have a few frivolous suits, but you’d have far more justice on behalf of the public if the current “reforms” were repealed (especially SLUSA).
Washington IS Wall St and Main St pays the price. THAT is the evil that caused this mess.
Unchecked greed and an ability to leverage to the moon that was unregulated by the dumbest guys on Wall Street — the Fed, the Treasury, the NYSE, the FDIC, the CFTC, Congress and Bushie’s administration.
it takes one to know one.
They were responding more or less correctly to the incentives provided by the Fed, the White House, and Congress. Most of them made out fine, and there’s no evil in that. They have no responsibility to the public, unlike the other 3 parties. They’re the problem.
Throwing caution to the wind results in utter chaos.
My daughter purchased a house in CY2006 wherein she was told that her level of income didn’t matter. She received loan approval. Fortunately, I could give her $2K/month to tide her over until she could raise her income to cover her debt. She would be a candidate for foreclosure if not I stepped in.
For once in his life, Bush got a metaphor right. Of course, Wall Street was drunk ……. on cheap credit. You know the severity of the hangover (and the length of the sobering period) when you have had five hours of solid booze compared to, say, one hour? Substitute hour(s) for year(s) and booze for credit and you’ll figure out the mess Wall Street is choking on
Quit whining! After all Wall Street does its part in insuring that we all have the best government that money can buy: they tithe regularly to the politicos and Goldman provides talent to the treasury and commerce for guidance with derivative problems which only they understand. What more do you want? Just shut up and pay your taxes
“In no circumstances enter the derivatives trading market without first agreeing it in writing with me … at some time in the future it could bring the world’s financial system to its knees.” - Julian Hodge, 1990.
That prescience was followed by the first big derivatives debacles in 1994 and they have gotten steadily worse until the recent mortgage meltdown.
And we’re supposed to believe that govenance and the market was unaware of the risks associated with these vehicles?
Give me a break…
For highly educated, hard-working people, Wall Street smarties are monumentally stupid. Each company mimics its rivals, resulting in a herd stampeding in the same direction. Same with every bubble. True, bubbles aren’t always obvious, and the Street sometimes stampedes toward greater riches. But the stampedes are never checked, hedged or disclosed to shareholders, so everyone goes over a cliff that they never knew they were approaching.
Wall Street has always been and will always be driven by greed in the absence of regulatory controls. The Fed/Treasury could have stepped in at any time and required tighter lending standards to prevent this housing disaster. However, the Republican administration’s idiotic drive to create an “ownership society” prevented meaningful oversight. Put the blame where it belongs - on Greenspan for flooding the world with liquidity and Bush for trying to convince us all that “ownership” of property and Social Security, regardless of income levels, is a good idea.
I think the artist’s that crafted the numbers to fit the loan applacations should at the least refund their commisions? Even if they must sell their sports cars to do it.The whole busness world is getting real good at robbery by “inocent mistake” oops we are so sorry. To big to fail dose not mean to big for jail.
People who love money more than anything else, and see it as the cure to all ills. No sense of the earth or the rest of society. Just bigger houses, more vacations, more $$$.
Only a morally bankrupt society could have produced this.
Greed? if you see an opportunity to make money and choose not to take it, you have just lost that money. Therefore you can’t blame someone who took on these risks. I say that the problem was the credit, not those who took part in exploiting it, because exploitation is HUMAN NATURE.
All of the above. I don’t think one metaphor is adequate. If greed is evil, then evil explains a lot of what happened. Stupidity since a lot of what happened rested on the false assumption that real property values would only go up, which they did over a long period of time and so long as this was true the value of the collateral securing mortgages covered any bad loans. But a non-stupid person (not even smart) knows property values go down too. Finally, when an investor frenzy get’s going, people get drunk with the early returns and lose any sense of risk that they might otherwise have had.
To Pack: Hopefully,in re:Justice Dep’t(Prosecutors) going after all these guilty parties-they’ve barely just begun?
Yes, Ben, exploitation is HUMAN NATURE–which is why we can look back at slavery, torture and more. Maybe that’s all you want to be, but I aspire to something higher.
The genesis of this whole problem is a bogus inflation rate and low negative interest rates. Cheap money
encourages speculation by hedge funds, banks and home
buyers. People do not respect or value what is cheap and easy. Negative interest rates
also force responsible savers
to speculate, because they cannot get a fair return or a
CD or Treasury.
The appropriate metaphor is the “Barry Bonds” or the Ricardo Ricco (of recent Tour de France notoriety) metaphor–a conscious choice to use performance enhancing substances, e.g, cheat, to boost performance and profit–anabolic and designer steroids (think fancy financial derivatives), Growth Hormone, EPO, or what have you, while denying or minimizing any thought of the risk involved–perhaps throwing in a little of the Pete Rose metaphor to boot. There is both an element of clear choice, as well as one of a bit of a high from the substances used, great reward, at least short term, for the banned substance use, and addiction to risk, that kept the behavior going until the positive drug tests and the evidence of inappropriate behavior came back (Fannie and Freddie book-keeping shenanigans, for example, or Countrywide selling non-performing mortgages packaged to conceal the risk). And in the big leagues, or the Tour de France, its all about winning, and humans will take undue risks for fame, fortune, and glory. Tell us it ain’t so, Heidi! Not a way to run an economy, to say the least. Where is Cal Ripkin when we need him? Unfortunately, the Bush administration and Congress are responding kind of like Major League Baseball (who would have thunk), without the tough language and threats, rather with carrots all around, along with a lot of taxpayer bailout money being thrown into the mix. It’s as if the Feds offered to subsidize gate receipts and TV revenue for MLB to make sure that the drug scandals didn’t take a toll on the owners’ bottom line, without requiring but a token amount of regulation and oversight. Heaven forbid that the ordinary American not be able to afford to enjoy the National Past-time! Bread and circuses for all, you know. And the steroids do seem to make the game more exciting for the fans, you know. Any liklihood that investigations and hearings will go tougher on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Countrywide than on Roger Clemmons? I wouldn’t bet on it. At least the French did something definitive about Ricardo Ricco, and kicked him out of the tour forthwith. No such behavior on this side of the pond, to be sure, like, for example, getting rid of Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac. AFter all, the regulators and overseers are in on the deal and benefit enormously from it.
Wall St bankers were enablers but put the blame where it belongs: J. Q. Public for rushing out and taking on far too much debt and overpaying for houses. No banker held a gun to anyone’s head. The general public needs to accept responsibility for poor financial decisions. There was plenty of greed on Main St. too. A little self control goes a long way.
Lazy credit buyers were at fault. Lazy investors almost always get a very worst of the bad deals.
It was extremely easy to accept the rating from the agencies, then buy to get an extra few basis points in yield. Fat, Dumb, Happy. Mortgages are just messy by nature. It takes effort to really inspect what the originator has done. For many of the brokers, there were very minimal consequences of delivering a bad loan. Who cares about borrower quality when the house will be flipped in 24 months at a 25% or more profit?
I thought he was drunk.
Has any one out there thought
of ” a Financial Conspiracy ” ?
Greed, and corruption.
It’s all greed in the end: Greedy lenders who didn’t care what the borrower’s ability to repay looked like, because they made their money at origin and then sold off the loand. Greedy consolidators who didn’t care what the bundles looked like because they could pass them off to uninformed buyers. Greedy borrowers who either wanted homes they couldn’t really afford, or who bought multiple homes expecting that they’d become rich playing real estate.
I have no sympathy for any of them, and in my ideal world, they’d all meet their comeuppance. Then, after that happened, the smart conservative investors and potential homeowners who stood on the sidelines could come in and live nicely on the deflated remains.
Of course, that’s not what will happen. Everyone will get bailed out on my dollar and the smart conservative ones will continue to be locked out because the market is being artificially propped up.
Le plus ca changes.
HA HA! We all screwed ourselves, the bankers were the only ones smart enough to get the biggest cut!
They were drunk. Since no “drink responsibly” disclaimers were posted, everyone should consider joining into a class action suit.
The only difference between stupid and evil is whether or not the actor is aware of the consequences and collateral damage of his acts.
Since it is obvious to me that Wall Street is personal greed/socalized risk, it is also no doubt obvious to those whose personal greed got us all into this mess.
Therefore evil.
You guys crack me up. You force companies to close plants and move offshore to lower costs and increase shareholder value. Those that can’t fail and you claim its the marketplace working.
When the taxpayer wants Universal Healthcare or some other program you help the gov’t say there is no money and let the markets work.
Yet, when the market adjusts and the laborer whose job got sent to Bangalore defaults on his mortgate… wall street is the first to line up with the tin cup. You line up a week after you get your yearly bonus of course.
You play with house money and the whores in Congress make sure of it.
all of the above
The Fed made a big ocean of liquidity…
And every last one of us went surfing on it…
Who shall we tear down now?
Maybe just the wave-makers…
You are playing with big trouble gentlemen…
It gonna rear up one day…
And it won’t be nice…
It was pure and simple greed from unethical loan brokers to the banks and the home builders. Something should have been done 5 years ago when home builders were saturating the market with homes people could barely afford or not afford at all. How come Greenspan never factored into the enconomy where the money was going to come from for these homes? No one anywhere thought of the consequences of these lending practices? If not, then it is stupid greed.
Weekend column by Grant was ass biased as any reporting can get. This guy is going to benefit greatly from the downward pressurein credit markets but the article COMPLETELY FAILED to mention his holdings or his biases. Grant has been a shill for the last 20 years and will always be one.
Wall St wasn’t behaving like drunks. They were behaving like 2yr olds. With a myopic world view, responding to the incentives around them, and 90% of the time only thinking of “me” and “mine.” And for what it’s worth, everyone who took out a large principal no-downpayment ARM beyond their means was also acting like a 2yr old. And so was the bank who extended the loan to them. We are a nation with a lot of 2yr olds running around. (And I’m not sure letting the 2yr olds in Congress tinker with the system is going to solve anything.)
People that borrow should read the fine print on the loans to understand what they are signing. Those that prey on people that shouldn’t be signing for loans that the lenders knew they couldn’t pay,should be locked up. The Congressmen & women that got sweetheart loans during this time should join there fellow predators in jail. The Fed should have seen this coming. After all, they are the numbers people that are supposed to understand this stuff. Not doing means that they join the crowd earlier mentioned & should end up in the same place as them. Bottom line is the Justice Dept. & other regulating depts. should vigorously go after any & all that are involved & those caught should be prosecuted.
interesting that the blog stopped just short of what was really the slap in the face of the hte average joe in the speech Bush gave, and that was his joking around that he had problems finding a new house in Dallas. and making fun of the housing downturn. the drunk wall street part was just his usual stupid (very presidential) frat-boy humor, but what followed was just a complete lack of ability to understand what is going on in the US. and this has nothing to do with being inside or outside of the Beltway, this is about Bush not even trying (obviously beyond cleaning brush and putting on a texas drawl).
Ambition is good; greed is bad because it affects your good judgement.
It was the government that was drunk, stupid, and greedy. It continues to grower drunker and stupider.
My, my , my what have we done? Most everyone drank from the cup of greed at one point or another during the last five years, and now we just cant decide who to blame for our taste. Does the saying “if it seems to good to be true, it probably is” ring any bells?
I like the 2yr. old analogy. And, if you accept the premise that mortgages are commodities to be loaded up, trucked around, and ultimately consumed then this was probably rational behavior in an unsupervised environment. Low margins, low risks, very high reward as long as you know when to go short. Not acceptable behavior but very predictable.
Where were the parents/regulators or news editors for that matter. Having seen how successful mortgage commodities worked, is it any wonder that oil speculation is where it is today?
We’ve now been told by the Fed’s spokesman that if we had given the Fed the regulatory power it asked for 6 years ago, this bubble would never have happened. When are we going to put the Fed on the hook for wanting what Wall Street was getting. It all goes back to the Fed lowering rates to rock bottom. And knowing that when the bubble they created would burst, sending ripples through the world markets, the US GOVT would beg on their knees for the FED to fix it by giving them more power, now over Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac. Then pass the cost of the loans with interest paid to the Fed to the little old American Taxpayers. 9 TRILLION in debt to the FED. Wake Up Fellow Americans! Email your Congressman and Senators to Stop the Insanity of Fed market control.
We’ve now been told by the Fed’s spokesman that if we had given the Fed the regulatory power it asked for 6 years ago, this bubble would never have happened. When are we going to put the Fed on the hook for wanting what Wall Street was getting. It all goes back to the Fed lowering rates to rock bottom. And knowing that when the bubble they created would burst, sending ripples through the world markets, the US GOVT would beg on their knees for the FED to fix it by giving them more power, this time over Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac. Then pass the cost of the loans with interest paid to the Fed to the little old American Taxpayers. 9 TRILLION in debt to the FED. Wake Up Fellow Americans! Email your Congressman and Senators to Stop the Insanity of Fed market control.
Wall St fed the machine. It got burned, as it does ~ once a decade; LatAm, hedge fund leverage, tech, mortgages. Mind the machine.
It’s GW Bush who is either drunk, stupid or evil.
I knew we were in trouble the day I heard that
GREED is GOOD from a senior executive from a financial services company.
Hey Allan, the consumer may slow. Can I get another brew?
Hey Ben, how bout some rate cuts and a bail out? And a $29.5 billion loan on the side?
Hank, I’d like an order of short squeeze and buy yourself some Freddie with it!
It was each of all, especially evil since the “plot” was a sinister game of greed for gain, regardless of the victims, even your own shareholders and employees.
Greenberg, Cayne, Raines, et al are still enjoying the fruits of other’s labor!
I have to admit; those were the most honest words of his entire administration. “Wall Street got drunk”. It was the Come One Come All to the Sub-Prime Ball!!! You can always tell when a Bush is telling the truth; they can actually complete a sentence without those annoying “ah and they aught to etc. Greed Killed our economy, and as usual, the other 70% (the consumer) got screwed and will have to pick up the tab.
When we are all boozed up, we all go hogging!
Who is more evil? The dude who kisses the pig with lipstick or the guy who got him drunk and doesn’t stop him and refills his glass?
Debi does Dallas not Sirus.
I agree with “Truth Hurts” and “Mary”. This was the result of pure greed and selfishness. Unfortunately, the rest of us are left with the end result of their total recklessness - bank closures, dwindling 401Ks, loss of jobs etc. Those fools (and they will discover this in the end)never have to worry because they always manage to keep their earnings and continue creating disasters for the rest of us to survive.
Wall Street needs to deliver results every quarter. If you’re behind the pack start sending resume.
In this environment what can be expected ?
It’s the American Way !!
these financial institutions dont want people who care. they pushed those guys out 10-20 years ago. get with the times. it is about quick money and cheap labor. hell, the no application loan process should tell u that. god for bid if these banks would have actually got people to underwrite. no no no… the banks thought well just get the loan and push it to wall street or freddie / fannie. let those suckers worry about it. this is compartmentalized socialist banking system with corrupt politicians. what do u expect? phoney iraq war, kudlow and kramer saying buy in the face of hard economical times, now the drill drill drill speaches. unbelievable the level of blantant in ur face stuff. these politicians dont even care to cover up anymore. more like spin spin spin.
so go ahead american taxpayer. let the criminals take u out entirely. my opinion is to set term limits not only on people but also groups (aka democrats and republicans can only be in the office for two terms during any two decades)… get.. these scum bags are tearing the system apart and should be stopped.
“You’re leaving money on the table!” That was the rejoinder when risk managers said “Look, this has gone far enough. We’re both kiting these products AND buying them. It no longer makes sense and could be very costly for the firm, down the road.” When that rejoinder came from the CEO or a member of his claque, the risk manager would shut up.
Wall Street is amoral. Money is only the validating factor. They don’t care how they make their money, so long as they can create a market for the financial instrument du jour.
Lessons learned in 25 years in the industry: 1) If the shrimp are large and plentiful at a meeting describing the best new and perfect way to make money, EAT THE SHRIMP, HAVE TWO COCKTAILS AND LEAVE THE ROOM, 2) If anyone with a college degree above a BS stands before a group of individuals and makes the statement “we have back tested this and …” Leave the room and call 911 to report the latest and greatest fraud. They can never backtest for liquidity and it got us again.
The strength and greatness of this country is that it was founded on freedom - which is a combination of individual liberty and individual responsibility. We were founded on freedom from government. The role of government was primarily limited to defense and a judicial system. Every time we allow governemnt to expand in other areas we are giving away our freedom, our strength and our greatness. If we don’t reverse this trend now, there will come a point at which we will no longer be able to reclaim our freedom. Insist on reducing government. Take back your freedom. It’s that simple. Be free.
Influence those around you. Always keep individual liberty, and the individual responsibility that goes along with it, in your overall focus on everything you do - when you think about yourself, when you talk to friends and colleagues, when you teach your children. Do that, and we will always live in a great society, no matter what difficulties may arise.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Blue Horseshoe loves Anacot Steel
I want to be able to borrow for one percent using bogus paper as collateral and loan for 18 percent. Maybe I can become an investment bank when I grow up and daddy puts me in his firm.
Please spare me the ‘innocent victim’ pablum. Most of the large foreclosures are not on the first ‘purchase’ mortgage, but on all of the second mortgages, HELOC’s, refi’s etc that were driven by the endless greed of the individual home debtors. Please no bailout! Let the market adjust back to where homes are affordable for the financially responsible.
Anyone who bought a house they couldn’t afford thinking they’d cash in later shouldn’t be gifted with a get-out-of-debt pass from the Feds. Why should the rest of us be faced with added tax burdens to pay for their greed and idiocy?
Drunkeness is temporary amnesity this was a con
wall street was sober…greed and corruption got them. investors who bought all the junks were drunk.
His metaphor makes sense in a way. Wall Street was drunk on the easy money provided by ultra-low interest rates (with the Fed as bartender), which allowed low-initial-rate adjustable mortgages to be peddled left and right and sold as securities for easy brokerage fees. Transaction fees are the easiest money on the street, and when they’re rollling in it is very hard for the Street to say no. In addition, they seemed to play the game of “Keep up with the Joneses” (i.e. the Goldmans) and leverage the house on proprietary trading - and some were better at it than others.
Bottom line, Wall Street ignored risk in an easy-money environment, and when that risk came back it bit them in the rear end. This is why I’m slow to support any government bailouts - a bailout for bad behavior will encourage firms to continue to ignore risk, which is essential to keeping a market economy in check.
What we need know our “Greedbusters” who would infiltrate Greenwich, CT. and flush out all the hedge fund managers.
George W used the drunk analogy because that’s the way the Wall Street mess was explained to him by his advisors.
Knowing the intellectual limitations of their boss, the White House economists weren’t about to go into economic and currency theory, or the history and purpose of the Fed, the SEC, and the FDIC with him.
When explaining things to their boss, they use the KISS method: “Keep it Simple for Stupid”.
Wall street brokers, lawyers and investment bankers are the real Anti-Americans taking what does not belong to them and pushing US into bankruptcy. I would like to assure them that the general population resents their being.
Of course there is greed and massive self-centeredness on Wall Street. And there always will be - it’s the human condition when there is absent accountability and a higher moral and eithical authority. Regulation is not going to help until the regulators know what questions to ask and how to actually measure risk. Just look at the ridiculous SEC and how they come up with a statement about ensuring there is a adequate compliance program in place in the midst of the meltdown. The funny thing is that what happened wasn’t illegal - it wasn’t unethicial. That likely means that more lawyers will write more rules without having the slightest clue of really what to look for when they do an examination, and it will only be based on “gotcha” instead of an honest desire to regulate the markets, the industry, and actually reward decent financial service organizations who are doing the right thing. Note to SEC - you should not be regulating high net worth investment advisors the same way that you regulate institutional money managers. You end up losing the forest through the trees, so ask more people than just securities lawyers how to go about doing that. Perhaps get people involved who understand the business and how it works beyond compliance. You’ll be amazed at what you might actually learn. Investors must beware and only invest in products they understand and people whom they know and trust (just like Warren Buffet does). And this include Fiduciary Boards too, most of whom know little about markets or securities. So start asking your consultants to be more responsible and accountable instead of chasing returns! As far as the credit agencies, there is no way they can be conflict of interest free and be a public company. I know it sounds anti-capitalist, which I’m not, but I don’t see how one exists with the other without problems.
Let me see it’s Bush’s fault- it’s the bankers, it’s the managers,it’s the auto exec, it’s big oil, it’s the taxi cab driver - you sign on the bottom line as an adult act like one. The courts are always chasing the bad guys and we’ll get them - in the mean time more people need to look in the mirror when something goes wrong!
Bank and Financials set to take another fall as more Gloom spreads among Wall Street. Many questions remain about the strength of our Nation as the Economy take a severe downturn. Does the government actually have enough Cash on Hand to Bail out the many more Banks and Financial companies that are set to go under? Are the FDIC insured investment vehicles really safe? Why are a multitude of Savers pulling their Funds out of these accounts? Why does the Government continue to print excess currencies to pay off debt and bail out banks while the value of the U.S. Dollar plummets to new Lows? It seems job loss will be at an all time high as foreclosures continiue to spike due to domino effect of an economy spiraling out of control.Of course much of it stems from greedy mortgage lenders and people who believed that they were entitled to a $500000 home while they worked at Wal mart as greeters.How will consumer ever repay the loans on their Credit Card debt?Bankrupcies are higher than ever before even with the more stringent laws.Why do I hear cheering from the Street when Gas Prices have dropped but only by a few pennies. Have we gotten accustumed to paying $4.25 at the Pump as groceries and consumer staples skyrocket? Credit has finally tightened and those who spent like the end was near will see that they were right. Its a sad state of affairs when the National Debt reached over 9 trillion. Every man woman and child would have to pay over $40000 each to settle this debt.Many economists are calling for a market bottom of 500 for the S&P 500. It took 25 years for the market to recover from the crash of 29. Could we be in for an economic disaster which paralels this era?
Is it really even worth writing news articles about the stuff he says anymore? How many months left again? Let’s just let him quietly slip into the forgotten nobody he’s destined to become eh?
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Drunk? Maybe
Stupid? Probably not, but hold that thought.
Greedy? The sole purpose of Wall Street is to make money and Greed is the fuel.
(I used to think that Wall Street was full of bright people who knew when to bet on trends. The morons who ever agreed to buy or sell a pool of subprime mortgages really are stupid. Had they no experience in servicing FHA loans? Don’t they know what happens when real estate prices decline? WALL STREET HAS BECOME STUPID. I’LL NEVER TAKE THEIR ADVICE AGAIN! (Exception: Goldman Sachs)
The blogger requested analogies not long winded explanations. My analogy is: It was like a drunken wolf leading the sheep to a ponzi scheme.
“… cows can easily be pushed over without much force because they are slow-moving, slow-witted and weak-legged, have a high-centre of gravity and sleep standing up.”
Wall Street is greedy and stupid. Stick with the basics: investments that are conservative and easy to understand, not sexy. That way the risk of blowing up one’s portfolio is minimized.
Have some you worked on Wall Street? The analogy is quite simple - most of them are THIEVES. You all want to shroud it behind words like “greed” and “drunk”. They are definitely not stupid - they know which side of the bread is buttered very well.
More importantly and interestingly, rest of us are SUCKERS.
As for all the folks who bought their homes that they could not afford then (or in foreseeable future) are ACCOMPLICES. It is most irritating to hear them being called “victims” and every stupid politician rushing to help them with OUR money, as if it was their own bloody pocket change.
. It took 25 years for the market to recover from the crash of 29. Could we be in for an economic disaster which paralels this era?
Comment by Market Commentary - July 24, 2008 at 2:35 pm
25 years and a war….
When you have someone making a 7 figure income that they would otherwise not be able to make trying to keep a boss who is making a 8-9-10 figure income happy, you do justa bout anything. Especially in a country where money buys you justice, and not the law (IE; O. J. Simpson and $13 million for his freedom for murdering his wife and a friend of hers), it should be no surprise. Then if you add in the worst scammer on the planet and his cohorts (IE; George W. Bush and the inept Republican Party) making it easier to rob the common man, to expect less makes us the drunk, stupid or evil doers not those who took ample advantage. It’s like the friend in High School suggesting stealing a bit of booze from a parent’s unlocked and unmeasured liquior cabinet. At first it looks like there’s no harm, except after a few times the bottles become obviously low, just like the economy for the past 8 years. One man took us from boom to bust and made sure all his friends got a piece. Love ya Bushy boy, may you have all the booze and coke you were denied in the White House upon retirement!
For me what the President meant to say had to do with irresponsibility. The problem is there is no accountability from Wall Street for this behavior. While Wall Street took big risks to chase big $s they are not having to pay for their losses for being wrong. Some say why let someone else pay pennies on the dollar for the assets, it will only mean the rich/strong/powerful get richer/stronger/more powerful. To me, that is the way markets work, you take the risk you make the dough if correct if wrong you pay the price. YOU PAY THE PRICE, not the US Taxpayer.
No to all bailouts.
Call it evil, drunk or throw whatever expletives at Wall Street. The reality is that the game will not stop.
The system allows people to make millions or billions by taking outsize risk gambiling with other people’s money (shareholders, investors) with nothing to lose when they made bad calls. Public companies go bankrupt? Shareholders pay. Investment Funds go under? Investors pay. Executive walks away with hundred of millions to leave the company for their “failure.” If the risk gets so big that it can bring the whole economy down, even better, it is an extra insurance to hold the government hostage for bailout.
Given the opportunity, who wouldn’t do the same. It is risk-free to take big risk. The tough part is to get admitted to the club to play the game — an american dream?
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