Mean Street: How A Banker Earns His $25 Million Fee
How does a CEO keep his hand from shaking when he writes a $25 million check to his M&A adviser?
The cynical answer? It’s no problem. The CEO gets that much in his annual compensation.
The right answer? Sometimes, M&A advisers actually earn the fee.
It is easy to regard the hundreds of M&A bankers on Wall Street as little more than overpaid yes-men. Very few have ever seen a deal they didn’t like. Even when they are getting laid off en masse, they attract little sympathy.
I am a former M&A banker filled with the healthy skepticism–make that cynicism–of the ex-practitioner. But guess what? If I had a company I wanted to sell or buy, I would hire a good M&A adviser in a jiffy.
M&A advisers do a bunch of important things for a buyer or seller. They can run an organized sales process. They can provide cheap financing–well, at least until recently they could. And they can serve as the CEO’s or board’s insurance policy against looking stupid or getting sued.
But none of that is where the M&A banker really adds value. The value comes in critical judgment calls made in difficult situations.
These calls are what justify the astronomical fees paid to bankers.
Almost a decade ago, as a Goldman Sachs banker, I advised a European client on buying a U.S. publicly traded company for a couple of billion dollars. We had worked for months on the deal, and in a few days of negotiations, hammered out the terms with the board of the U.S. company.
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Our client was overjoyed. We had negotiated hard for a purchase price that was 6% above where the shares were then trading.
Effectively, a no premium deal. An M&A banker’s dream. Or nightmare.
It turned out that none of the U.S. company’s large institutional shareholders tendered their shares. They didn’t like the price. We had an agreement to buy the company, but no company.
So now we had to go back to the U.S. shareholders with another price. But how much to offer?
We talked to about a dozen large shareholders. Forget the 6% premium. Now, it was highway robbery. The shareholders demanded takeover premiums of 50% to 75%. That meant another $500 million straight out of my client’s pocket.
That was unacceptable. So my client asked me at what price we could get the deal done. A tough judgment. The team talked it over. We consulted colleagues. In the end, the call was based on gut instinct. Another 25%. No more. No less.
At the close of the tender, we gathered about 55% of the shares, just barely above the 50% needed to close the acquisition.
The good call saved our client several hundred million dollars.
Did we earn our fee? You betcha.
Were we lucky? You betcha. The deal could have easily ended badly.
This complex two-stage tender deal was much more the exception rather than the rule. There are many more plain vanilla M&A deals where plain vanilla advice leads to mediocre outcomes for clients.
As a junior banker, I was fortunate to learn the M&A trade at the feet of two superb bankers–John Thornton, former president of Goldman Sachs, and Ken Jacobs, currently a vice-chairman at Lazards.
As a team at Goldman in 1987, we were the first U.S. bank to act as sole adviser to a British publicly traded company. That was a big deal then. This was way before the U.S. investment banks dominated Europe as they do today.
Working beside Thornton and Jacobs to sell this company remains one of the business accomplishments of which I am most proud. Goldman Sachs created huge shareholder value under tough circumstances; a troubled company with only one real buyer.
At one board meeting, our client’s lawyers actually tried to kill the deal. They relentlessly questioned its legality. But it wasn’t that it was illegal. The deal was simply without precedent, which made the board nervous.
Then Thornton strode into the room. He bullied the lawyers. He harangued the board. He cajoled the executives. He wouldn’t accept that the deal wouldn’t work. And he won the day. It was a master class in the art of persuasion.
In the end, Goldman’s advice earned the shareholders at least an extra $100 million to $200 million.
I remember the deal’s closing dinner held in a glittering banquet room at the Ritz in London. This was the mid-1980s, the peak of glamour for that M&A boom. And I recall thinking, wow, bankers can actually make a difference.
Nowadays, I think back and say, wow, bankers can actually earn their big fees.
At least, every now and then.
probably going to get ripped for this one, lol.
self-serving BS.
25 mil for offering the halfway point! My 10 year old son would have done the same. Self-delusion is a powerful asset for some…..
Whats the good call here?
Somebody asks 50% premium and you meet him midway. This is just haggling. Anybody buying veggies on streets in india knows this.
Boy, I want this job. Earn millions for looking good.
I suppose we owe all you investment bankers a great big THANK YOU for our current credit crisis. In 1983 every state in the US had 2 or 3 serious banks. They understood the local economy and made money working with local companies and individuals. Then disaster struck: Continental Illinois, the oil patch, NCNB breakthrough deal w/ First Republic, M&A run amuck, regulators delighted at mergers, community groups demanding baksheesh, the S&L debacle, LTCM, and Greenspan.
Twenty five years later, it’s hard to find 2 or 3 serious banks in the country. And with so few lenders, it’s very easy for all of them to get caught leaning the same way. The mess up and you have the current credit crisis.
And who is served by this? Not the consumers, not the shareholders, not the economy, not the country. The investment bankers were well served. The departing CEOs were well served (John Malone, Herb Sandler). But the surviving CEO didn’t do too well – right Kenny Boy?
But let’s face it. You investment bankers are a parasite feeding off the economy, adding no value and making tons of money.
I wish you plague.
I agree that GOOD M&A advisors add a lot of value. Unfortunately, there are a lot of second-rate shops/groups/washed-up bankers on the street.
However, this article came off more as a rehash of old deals. You forgot the adage of banking–only bankers like to sit around and talk about deals. The rest of the world has a live outside of work and could care less about the machinations of Wall Street.
I do normally enjoy your column, even if you do have the ego of a former McK/GS stud.
The safest way to rob a bank is to own one, or to be a senior officer in these M&A deals.
Why did the former head of CITIGROUP get a going away gift of $51 Millio just before the/(my) stock fell from $55 to $15. Why are these golden parachutes not paid in company stock with a 12 month delay before the stock can be sold?
To Little Smarter Invester, everyone can argue the price of a pound of tomatoes for 2 reasons
1) if the buyer doesn’t want to sell - no big deal - find someone else or don’t eat tomatoes
2) it’s pretty easy to find out a fair price for some tomatoes
but to know what price to haggle w/o losing the deal / potential gains for an entity whose value might be hard to garner is actually not so easy
So don’t go insulting investment banking w/o knowing how to do something or what exactly we do
SO ALL THEY DO IS GUESS ??????
” In the end, the call was based on gut instinct ”
I can do that !
Keep it up Evan. I enjoy the old stories from your investment banking days. Lets one live vicariously. Reading these comments after one of your stories–man there sure are a lot of bitter people out there.
To John Gee, you just sound like a whiny little investor who lost some money
1) That CEO help add value to your stock to begin with
2) You CHOSE to invest in this company probably trying to make a quick / or slow buck and it didn’t work out.
Fact of the matter is if retail investors did 1/2 the research bankers did, they’d be more efficient so get over yourself and quit whining
Evan - great insight as always.
Little Smarter Investor: Haggling?? well when you need to go out public with the price — you need to get it right the second time. You need to sell/justify the premium to your client’s board and more importantly still justify it strategically.. and sell it even if it means taking on dilution because of the increased premium. Now go try doing half of that and get it RIGHT.. we’ll talk then. “Earning millions for looking good” — clearly you’ve never done this to know.
Isn’t Evan Newmark still an MD at UBS?
“Why did the former head of CITIGROUP get a going away gift of $51 Millio just before the/(my) stock fell from $55 to $15. Why are these golden parachutes not paid in company stock with a 12 month delay before the stock can be sold?” —- Bet this guy never voted for a single share he owned; FYI you elect the board that approves these compensation structures.
^^^
Completely agree - just another whiney retail investor … then again it’s people like him that let the rest of the guys make money so don’t go running out and making any more educated decisions today
Why do people that know nothing about the big leagues talk as if they could do this with their eyes closed? (”My 10 year old son would have done the same”)
I’m LITERALLY a former rocket scientist now working as a banker at a bulge bracket firm, and I can certify that jobs in this industry are way more difficult and stressful than people pretend they are.
Has there been any discussion at all recently of M&A bankers getting paid too much, or not earning their fees? Or is this article just a bald-faced excuse to tell self-aggrandizing old war stories? Sounds like the old guys in the steam room talking about their exploits in the Boer War.
2:08 is right. What’s your point aside from bragging? And if this deal involved the sale of a public company (”a couple of billion dollars” - that would have been headline stuff in 1988) circa 1988, why not name the company? You are probably embellishing, if not outright making it up. And giving bankers a worse rep for it.
re 2:08…the is the “Deal Journal”
And for the huge number of deals that ended up being a disaster, I suppose you think they should refund their fee (or maybe pay back even more to offset the bad advice)?
obviously.
Amusingly, there were those at GS that threatened the Brits with causing ‘the Crash’ if they didn’t cancel the sale.
Re: ThereWillBeDrama, I agree, it’s the Deal Journal, not the Venerable and Ancient Deal Journal Remembrance Society, right?
Let’s face it. People like ripping on jobs they themselves could never get. It makes them feel better. If the job was that easy, it wouldn’t pay as much as it does…and if these folks could do it and make more money, they would. Now there are some people for whom serving the greater good trumps money and those people work in social services, etc. But those people are also not WSJ readers so let’s get real.
Where did you pull this one out from?!
I found it funny when you said “Goldman Sachs created huge shareholder value.” You created nothing - you just took money from one group of shareholders and got it for others who were your client. Ou’re proud of your boss made mergers happen when they might not have. How did the mergers turn out - maybe they destroyed a lot of value as some mergers do.
Raising capital - as in venture capital to fund new innovation - is a service bankers perform. Things get built that otherwise might not. Negotiating terms of mergers just shifts money between people, creating nothing.
Comic. A trained duck could do the same thing. I’m an M&A banker myself, and I would never try to justify the amount of money we get paid. We’re totally overpaid, no question. This blog entry confirms it.
And the brokerages can bring down each other. Read about GS
But who? According to one vague tale, initially picked up at Lehman Brothers, a group of hedge-fund managers actually celebrated Bear’s collapse at a breakfast that following Sunday morning and planned a similar assault on Lehman the next week. True or not, Bear executives repeated the story to the S.E.C., along with the names of the three firms it suspects were behind its demise. Two are hedge funds, Chicago-based Citadel, run by a trader named Ken Griffin, and SAC Capital Partners of Stamford, Connecticut, run by Steven Cohen. (A spokesman for SAC Capital said the firm “vehemently denies” any suggestion that it played a role in Bear’s demise. A Citadel spokeswoman said, “These claims have no merit.”) The third suspect, at least in Bear executives’ minds, is one of its main competitors, Goldman Sachs. (“
“The Boer War” @1408, LOL.
“Then Thornton strode into the room. He bullied the lawyers. He harangued the board. He cajoled the executives. He wouldn’t accept that….”
My sandbox theory: how you behaved in the sandbox as a child determines how you act as an adult. So all the a-h01es that would steal the bucket and shovel from the girls because you wanted it now work on the street…
P.S. How do I get into M&A banking? I’ve been greasing my hair back like some of those chuckleheads on FaustMoney. It seems to be the glamour-shot you all go for.
My war stories are all about…oh yeah, war.
@2:58: maybe that’s why your lame-ass bank is run by ducks. Real banks are run by smart ivy-leaguers. I’ll admit, we’re overpaid, I bet 99% of people out there couldn’t bear one day of our lives.
You are such a self-promoter and a joke!!
How much is Goldman paying you to write this article.
What has happened with good reporting at the WSJ??
Firms create value, but bankers do not. Bankers transfer value. Yes, in a easy credit market they can arrange bridge loan. At bad times, their mess need to be picked up by tax payers as in case of Bear Stern. Other banks take risk and let the shareholders and tax payers get burnt out. For the most part, the M&A process satisfies megalomaniac ego of the CEOs of the companies. M&A rarely create value or realize the synergy. If you look the value destroyed by AOL & Time-Warner, Daimler Benz & Chrysler and others, it would tell you the tell of bad M&A.
Evan,
I love your stories. Wish I could have been around in the 1980s. Keep writing more like this please.
this is self serving b.s., as stated in an earlier comment. what kind of banker puts together a deal price without at least doing some due diligence with large shareholders? then they pat themselves on the back for getting a higher price than the original? the value is finding the buyer, the rest is crap
Evan,
Great article as always. I agree with the above poster - please write more along these lines
I agree partly with M&A Guy…A lot of this has to do with the principal-agent problem - the bigger a company gets, the beigger the salary and power of the CEO. However, this usually isn’t in the best interest of the shareholders, as evidenced by the fact that aquiring companies’ share prices decrease, often substantially, after they buy another company.
Is this pablum a waste of space? You betcha!
If the best article you can produce is a self-serving rehash of a deal from the 80’s, are you still overpaid? You betcha!
You mention you’re a former investment banking practitioner. Don’t take this the wrong way, but, is investment banking a profession with practitioners? Investment banking doesn’t strike me as one of the traditional professions: e.g., CPAs, doctors, and lawyers. Though..I suppose strong arguments could be made analogizing it to the “oldest” profession…
I wish Yahoo had better bankers.
Enjoyed the article. A lot of WSJ readers are young professionals (like myself). Learning about the past (both the good and the bad) from those who have lived it, worked in it, and helped shape the world we emerging college grads are now working in, is a great learning experience.
There is no better way to learn about past deals and how companies have grown, than to hear the bright people who were behind these events to speak from memory.
There are managements that try and position their firm for a sale or try to buy another firm because it will add shareholder value. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. You hear about the ones that end up not working out. I doubt you will hear anything about Anheuser-InBev 5 years from now because it is a good deal that has provided great value to the owners of both companies.
Overcompensated? Perhaps, but I would like to see two companies negotiate the terms of a deal without the M&A services provided by bankers.
I’m loving all this hating on bankers. If you could be in our shoes, pulling allnighters, closing deals and raking in the cash – you would. Maybe we are not compensated according to the value we add to society, but that same argument could be made for almost any profession. The thing that we are aptly compensated for, however, is the fact that we have gotten to this point through various means, by throwing down our hard work and putting skin in the game, by handling the stress and risk of getting axed at any moment. I’m no hotshot banker, I’m not trying to front anything, but just telling it how it is.
aaah, the magic of googling one’s name…
c.2002…
“Evan M. Newmark Joins UBS Warburg As Global Head of Technology Banking
UBS Warburg announced today that Evan M. Newmark will join the firm as a managing director and global head of the Technology Investment Banking group. Based in New York, Mr. Newmark will report to Jeffrey A. Sine, global head of Technology, Media and Telecommunications Investment Banking.
Until recently, Mr. Newmark was the chief executive officer of Vizzavi, the European consumer internet joint venture between Vivendi Universal SA and Vodafone Group plc. Mr. Newmark led the development of Vizzavi from its start-up in early 2000 into a pan-European technology business operating in eight countries. Prior to Vizzavi, Newmark was a managing director at Goldman Sachs & Co. in London where he led the firm’s global wireless advisory business. While at Goldman, he advised on a number of landmark transactions including the IPO of NTT DoCoMo, Vodafone’s merger with AirTouch Communications and the creation of Verizon Wireless, the joint venture between Verizon and Vodafone.
The concept of earning something sure has changes since I was a kid. The headline should be more how can one possibly make 25 million.
I’m an investment banker, and we do indeed earn our fees. “Investment Banker meself” is probably not even a real investment banker. I *am* a real banker, so I would know.
I EARNED $2MM+. Goddamn widdows, orphans, poors and hippies - leave my money alone!!!!!
Ah yes…I’ve noticed that all the “business opportunities” running ads on TV talk about “making” money. It occurs to me that they are NOT talking about net income…
M&A ‘adviser’ patting himself on the back? I am shocked, I tell you shocked!
Evan,
Keep up the good work. I enjoy your pieces very much. M&A is a tough job that most couldn’t hack.
Best,
Didn’t Herb Allen once say that he could teach his dog to be an investment banker? They wanted 50% and you offered 25%? No way!? You’re a genius. I say. A genius!
Evan—did you wear a mask when you cashed the check?
Herb Allen’s dog probably had better people skills than a trader. Stick to your monitors, please
So you deserved $25 million because you f***ed up the deal and then guessed “default” and hired a good proxy soliciter?
Most bankers & traders are parasites that feed off the blood of the real economy. You create nothing, you produce nothing. You take your cut and you live lavishly. that’s all. An engineer working on the 787 or A380, a scientist designing cancer cures or any other creator deserves more than bankers. However, our system is rotten and perverted. Sure, you’re gonna tell me that Boeing, Airbus or Merck need “financing” and that without the bankers, the creators would not have the means to create. Perhaps, but why can’t you finance companies with “only” a 200k compensation? Why do you need 20million?? How are such lavish packages justified?
The solution: Taxation: tax income below 1 million at 30% and anything above at 70%. And include all income, not only salaries: capital gains, dividends, interest… evrything at 70% above 1 million. And let’s see the face of those GS bankers. Make no mistake, if those bankers continue ruining the economy like this, Americans won’t tolerate the situation any longer. 70% taxation for the super-rich is a real possibility and it might happen sooner than you think.
Bankers are not essential in deal negotiations. M&A lawyers are the real glue that holds transactions together. Anyone who has done deals know that the lawyers are the ones on the hook for answers, and if deals go sour then everyone points fingers at them. As someone who works on the buyside and has a spouse who is a corporate lawyer, it is very obvious to me whose job is more stressful–it’s certainly not mine. But the pay certainly doesn’t reflect that…
And, while there might be some truly brilliant people at the top rungs of the top banks, the average talent level across the industry is not so high as to justify the pay levels. In fact, once one becomes accustomed to Wall St pay, the average job comp seems absurd (instead of the other way around). My annual pay was more in my second year out of college than what my father was making having worked for more than thirty years as an engineer.
The current credit crisis is exposing many flaws in the system, and it will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. There will likely be far fewer “high finance” jobs in the future.
70% taxation in the age of tax-free competing global zones like Dubai and Hong-Kong? As if these firms need any more reason to leave.
70% taxation is possible only if you enact protectionist policies with strict capital controls. That means deconstructing globalization. (eg if GS sets up its Headquarters in Dubai, then, for example, they would not be allowed to advise on M&A transactions involving US-based corporations). I think we are far too advanced in the globalization process to make 70% taxation remotely possible. The rich are getting richer thanks to globalization and this is not about to stop anytime soon, unless you envisage some sort of global communist uprising… But such an uprising is probably not realistic either so things won’t change anytime soon… better get used to it.
M&A lawyers fill out f***ing paperwork.
Bankers are the grease in the machine. Bankers connect buyers and sellers and help them see eye-to-eye. Bankers attempt (not always successfully) to find a true value for very complex and unique companies. Bankers create liquidity where there was none. Bankers create value for the shareholders, consumers, communities, and economy as a whole.
Are they paid large amounts of money compared to other professions…in most cases, yes. But I am not sure they are “overpaid” across the board…assuming we all believe in a free market, wouldn’t the market correct itself over time. Wouldn’t the clients’ figure it out and refuse to pay the fees? Clients have been paying large fees for investment banking services for decades, because they know, it is in their best interest to have the best banker on his/her side of the table.
Bankers create value.
The deal was a couple of billion (which I assume is $2bn) and the shareholders wanted 50% to 75% more. Byyour calculations that was another $500m out of your clients pocket….I’m a lawyer so no banking expert but I thought 50 % to 75 % of $2bn would be more like $1bn-$1.5 bn ???
I thought bankers need to know math ?
Anyway, good work for getting that $25m fee even if you had a few slight miscalculations along the way…good to know you can always rely on your gut even if can’t do maths !
I hope your accounts dept at GS were better at math than the front office…at least you could rely on them to correctly invoice that fee….!
IF i only had a brain.
Does anyone know of any good data out there that supports the notion that M&A advisers add value? Most bankers are so confident in their claims that they do so, but where does this confidence come from? Anecdotal evidence like that provided by Mr Newmark is problematic for many reasons, not the least of which because he’s biased to remember the times when he thinks he added value but not those when he did not. Which goes to another issue–how bankers are compensated. Success fees are paid if the deals go through, regardless of how they do. Bonuses are paid by banks annually, based on that year’s performance. There are no clawback provisions for either fees or for banker comp, based on the actual results of their work. Dick Fuld gets paid $50-70m one year, but can’t get negative pay the next when his firm loses 80% of its value.
Banking is not a profession. There is no professional qualification necessary to be a banker, even an M&A banker. No required coursework, no required training. In that sense, it’s not much different from being a sales guy, pushing a product and getting paid on commission.
just another case where a small majority (containing a lot of arbs out for a quick buck) force the remaining shareholders to join in capitulating to a low-ball bid
Evan: Did you know that before 1977, companies didn’t use M&A bankers? Bob Greenhill was the frst to turn the field into a practice, creating a substantial deal tax along the way. The reason that bankers earn so much is that Boards have lost their willingness to accept anyt risk from shareholder suits. Of course bankers add almost no real insight to management and their lawyers in these processes. They’re there to give “comfort,” lowering litigation risk. If we could only get some control over the judicial process, fewer bankers would be summering in the Hamptons.
On balance, do all these deals touted by investment bankers over the years generate significant “shareholder value”?
Well, according to many many studies done by academics at the top business schools, the answer is NO. No big surprise there —- but the game just keeps rolling along.
Bankers do work really hard. They randomly pick a number to value a company and feverishly work backwards to justify that number. In between deals, they do small corp finance work for their clients at the drop of dime - because if they won’t some other loser who has no life / family will. Nothing particularly wrong with it - there are willing payers for their services.
How does UBS and other european investment banks rank in the US? I mean I live far from the states and here in eastern europe we do hear about deals managed by GS, MS and Lehman. But in the US, i would have thought names like Deutsche, UBS and Credit Suisse arent that strong in M&A?? sorry for the offtop.
a 50 % to 75 % premium on a couple of billion by my calculation would be 1bn to 1.5bn out of your clients pocket not 500m
Worrying when bankers don’t a brain that knows how to do math. Although maybe its not a bankers brain that is important - It seems a bankers gut is much more important to get the job done.
Good work for getting the 25m fee even with your slight miscalcuations on the deal premium !
I am sure when it counts you guys got the important calculations correct (ie bankers fees) or you at least had a good account department doing your fee invoicing !
Evan - I really enjoyed all of your articles until this one. Let’s lay off the old banker war stories, please?
I shut down my car lots in 2004. I couldn’t make a profit! To be sure, there were way too many who needed to be paid out of a single deal including the banks. If a car broke down, I was “obligated” to fix things even though the car was sold “as-is” and disclosed as such. I wonder if the “bankers” who have trashed our economy with their pure greed and lack of TRUE value to the process will give back the money to investors who lost trillions through fraudulent and deceptive practices. Maybe this year, “bankers” may actually fall to the bottom of “least trusted and respected” professions - dropping below used car salesmen! I hope you when you lose your mortgages and cars and boats and planes, try becoming a used car salesman. The law requires that you cannot misrepresent anything to a buyer/consumer. You guys better buy some sleeping bags! Party’s over!
Splitting the difference justifies a $25 million dollar fee? I dicker every time I buy something more costing more than a few thousand dollars. Should someone pay me $25 million for that? If they will, I’ll take the fool’s money, and laugh all the way to the bank, just as the investment bankers do…literally. These folks won’t get any sympathy from me. Now that they are laid off, maybe, they’ll start to work for a living…
I was really enjoying the egoism of this whole article and the amazing list of comments until I realized it wasn’t tongue in cheek satire. This guy and the yahoos who are applauding him are serious. WOW. It is great to see “sam hayes” is still willing to come out and speak the truth about what his former students really are up to. A famous professor at a well know eastern business school once said, “Hey, if the check clears it was a good deal.”
How did they come to the initial conclusion that the deal could happen at a 6% premium in the first place? Looks sophomoric to not know that US institutional shareholders wouldn’t tender. Isn’t that the insight bankers get paid for in the first place?
from another former practitioner: dude no such thing as a former McK Stud, consulting=not studly
I’ll admit I’m not an i-banker… but isn’t it a zero sum game between the buyer and the target? If the buyer gets more, the target gets less… yet the “value creating” i-bankers on both sides always walk away with $25M apiece?
If anyone would like to learn a little more about how and why M&A bankers get paid from a current practitioner of M&A which doesn’t rely on war stories, facile generalizations, or childish invective, you could do worse than read the following:
http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.com/2008/02/penny-for-guy.html
Beware, though: the post is long, because the topic is not as simple as you might think. Inquiring readers with a serious interest might find it valuable.
(Not that I have anything against childish invective. The comments section to this post is a joy.)
The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed — for lack of a better word — is good.
Greed is right.
Greed works.
Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
Greed, in all of its forms — greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge — has marked the upward surge of mankind.
And greed — you mark my words — will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.
Thank you very much.
Blue Horseshoe loves Annacot Steel
Wall Street is less than the movie of the same name and more like Boiler Room these days.
Evan, you have to be kidding me. I was a banker and now work on the buyside. There is nothing in this article that comes close to justifying a $25 million fee. As a banker, I worked hard and I was happy to earn my pay, but I have friends in various Fortune 500 companies in sales, engineering, finance, etc. that all work as hard if not harder (and do more intellectually challenging tasks) than I did as a banker. Meanwhile, I made 25-50x more….bankers are the most overpaid people on the planet and your article (and great math!!!) proved it….don’t believe your own hype.
You sound like an pompous arrogant SOB who suffers from a God complex. What you don’t say is any intelligent person could do what you do for 1/1000 of what you charge. But you belong to the IVY league Mafia who have made robbing with a Pen an art form.
So you are just a robber in a Suit.
Some of you idiots make me sick. Nowhere in the article does Evan state an exact amount for the company. He says it is a company worth a couple billion dollars. He never says what the share price is at, which is where the 6% premium comes in. He is talking about per share. The shareholders wanted a premium of anywhere from 50% to 75% for their shares. He never says that all of them wanted 50% and he offered 25%. He calculated that a majority of the shareholders would take a 25% premium to the stock they already own so that the acquirer could obtain over 50% stake in the company. That’s where he added value. You retards that don’t work on Wall Street but claim to be sooo smart should read before writing from now on. Go back to your stupid small-time jobs and leave this work to the professionals… Thanks.
re: 6_figures_is_for_whimps -
Your description of bankers could go for a lot of jobs - ultimately about meeting clients needs, negotiating (I think of Sales).
Banks certainly do create liquidity and that is one of the main reason companies need to work with them. As with many industries (think of big 3 TV networks in 70s, 80s and 90s), when there are limited number of companies that can provide the services you need (and there are high hurdle rates to enter that industry), you tend to overpay. The market does not have a good way to correct for this until there is some technical or legal change that disrupts the scenario. Its just the way it is.
Take a case even like google, who initially wanted to go public via a public auction. The reason in the end they worked with the investment banks (in part) was because they have obviously have a signicant impact in the broader financial services industry, and they couldn’t risk cutting them out of this business for fear they would not be treated well when they needed them for other business. There also were inherent risks with the all-auction IPO setup.
There are a lot of fields where pay can seem out of whack (really, professions where percentages are involved to calculate fees), but again, it is a free market, and over time (unless protected indirectly by law) money will flow to those whom add the most value to them at the best price (e.g. with the internet, ad dollars are flowing away from networks and to Google).
Ok, I don’t know where my previous comment went; so here it is again. Evan never stated what the company was worth exactly, he said it was a few billion dollars. When he said they negotiated the deal at a 6% premium, he was referring to the per share price. The shareholders came back and said they wanted anywhere from 50% to 75% of a premium. Evan calculated that a majority of the shareholders would take 25% premium per share, thus, giving the acquirer a majority stake; the 55% he mentioned. For those of you who don’t work on Wall Street but claim to be sooo smart, you should read the article before opening your mouths. You look like idiots, especially you math whizzes above me. Maybe you should learn a little bit about how these transactions take place before enlightening us with your “intelligence.” You make me sick. Please, in the future, leave this work to the professionals… Thanks.
Casey, your first post was much more acerbic than the second. Why’d you edit out the “retard” and “stupid small-time jobs” from the re-write?
Go create your own company, with 10K of your own money, and put up your marriage and house on the chopping block to boot.
I negotiated a deal where the seller was looking for 3.75 million, but asked for a premium of 4 mil. Buyer comes in at 3.75, but we still negotiated out to 3.85 mil. Beautiful.
Oh, wait. I made an error in the math to the degree of 1×10^3, or a thousand. I was actually selling my car for $4,000 and got what I wanted after a prolonged book valuation and negotiation. LOL it’s all relative.
Perhaps you should wait for you post to appear, Casey, so as not to post twice.
And, not being so self-righteous would work wonders for your credibility too.
Casey: “calculated” is a bit of a misnomer, since Evan admitted the final calll was simply gut instinct: “In the end, the call was based on gut instinct.” I work on the street, bulge-bracket, etc (perhaps we work for the same firm, although there is no “casey” here). Admit it boy (or girl), we are overpaid. My classmates are engineers, cancer docs, biomedical engineers, and trust me, they all work just as hard and add a hell of a lot more value to the world than me (or any of my fellow bankers). My only hope is that I make enough money by my mid 40s so I can spend the next 20 years financing the goals and dreams of someone who really adds value. DCF’s ain’t rocket science my friend!
as a surgeon and one of thirty members of an academic department, the concept of earnings is striking. Our department cannot come close over the course of a year to the ‘earnings’ listed above….look on the health blog and you will find discussions between surgeons and non-surgeons scrapping over 150-250k in pay in the context of reimbursement (particularly as it relates to proposed budget neutral changes desired by the government - ie pay surgeons less, so that family docs can make more).
Then one switches blogs and reads the above…whatta country…I guess ‘get it while you can’ is the only philosophy one can have in the business world, because it is not sustainable (or at least tolerable), in this age of information…
in a free market, if a service is not valued, it will disappear. there’s no regulation that forces companies to use M&A advisors, so all of these bitter people need to swallow the bitter pill and just get over it. the only people you should be railing at are union workers and government employees.
I gave it 30 minutes before re-writing my comment because it hadn’t shown up; but, that’s irrelevant. I’d delete one if I could… I’m not trying to be self-righteous, just standing up for Evan against all the people trying to say he doesn’t know math or that what he did a child could do. They obviously didn’t understand what they just read. To the person below my 2nd post, I’m working on starting my own company and am in the process of raising money, thank you. The purpose of my post was to put the people who are calling the author a joke, idiot, etc. in their place for the mistakes in their own comments. If you think it came off as harsh, well, grow some thick skin….
Shadow, I agree…
Casey, if you worked in the industry, you’d know that the job isn’t “rocket science” (one of the most common banker expressions). There are far more intellectual jobs out there than investment banking that just happen to pay a lot less. Furthermore, working long hours is not the necessarily the same as working hard. Surgeons can only perform a few surgeries per day because that is mentally exhausting/stressful work. Authors, academics and other creative people can typically only produce for a few hours a day for the same reason. Investment banking hours are long because there is a ton of “down time”–processing time spent trying to get presentations formatted and printed correctly or waiting after pressing F9 while your terribly unrealistic financial model calculates. Just be happy you got into the club and made the outrageous amounts of money that membership bestows.
As the author himself notes, the reason boards hire M&A advisers is because if they do a deal that goes wrong, they can tell their shareholders “but tom and harry said so”. Having advisers is mostly a case of CEOs hedging their bets, and only exceptionally a case of genuine value added.
That being said, who cares if bankers earn the bucks they do. I don’t know why we vilify bankers so much but don’t seem to care much about ten times more over-paid sport stars and actors.
Is it really more than a case of sour grapes? (Like everyone, they wanted to make money and were smart enough to be able to do so)
Truth is that politicians need to blame bankers and bring bankers’ pay into the spotlight in order to divert attention away from their own incompetence and ineptitude.
Casey, Evan’s musings on his industry leave his readership polarized most of the time. I love it. The best post is the first one; we all knew what would come next.
Being a math guy, I worked for a company whose blonde cheerleader/owner has been snowing-over “smart” investment bankers, to the tune of millions. I saw numbers so distorted and unbelievable being accepted by these bankers that I’m willing to work for them to find the fraud that’s probably going on in their other clients’ books.
When soldiers or surgeons make a mistake, people die. When bankers err, they still profit under the “if-you-didn’t-pay-us-this-much-no-one-would-work-here” mantra.
There are too many in your field that admit being overpaid.
BTW, good luck in your new business.
Ok, I’m not trying to justify the outrageous salaries or even the difficulty, or lack there of, of the industry… I just get tired of seeing people rip on someone when they in fact are completely wrong in their reasoning… case in point, the guy saying his kid could choose the middle point. That was a completely incorrect way of viewing what Evan actually did. Trust me, I know there are more difficult careers out there and many of those pay much less. What irks me is when people unjustly or incorrectly try to rip on someone else. I think many can agree on that point…
Who cares? All the I-Bankers I know are coked-out douchebags. All the money is going to hookers.
Their a lot like real estate agents, except their profession is much more scalable. You’ll pay 6% to a real estate agent on a house deal to get the value right because you don’t have time to find the buyer or put the right price on the property (though I’m not a big fan of that industry), similar to a banker except their profession is scalable - instead of a 400k house, its a 20 billion dollar company, is not concerned about $25 million, its much better to get the deal right than pinch pennies.
The fact of the matter is, Evan almost certainly COST Goldman’s client money. If they had been modestly intelligent, they would have known that a 6% premium would never fly with the shareholders. A premium that low makes it almost costless for the shareholders to say no–so what if the buyer walks away and my position is worth only 6% less today than yesterday. If, on the other hand, the initial premium had been 15 or 20%, it becomes a very difficult decision for the shareholders, and one that likely works. Having all gotten together to reject the 6% bid, the shareholders were able to largely hold the acquiror hostage. Evan, you probably cost your client $50MM, not including your “modest” fee. Nice work.
Anonymous @10:28: Exactly right. More than that, 6% for a non-distressed company is just insulting.
Casey, he said that NONE of the large institutional shareholders tendered. He doesn’t say if the tenders the first time were 10% or 45% of outstanding. Did he need just one more shareholder or 20? Hard to gauge the magnitude of his brilliance otherwise.
Anyway, Casey, if the bankers valued the target at 6% but the major shareholders, i.e. the market, were not willing to sell at that price, by definition the bankers f***cked up the valuation. Gut instincts would not have been necessary if the bankers had gotten the valuation right, which any marginally competent, non-Goldman banker should have been able to do for much less than $25 million. But if you can f*** up deals, get a mulligan, jack up the fee, and make everything think you’re a genius for doing it, you’re doing what the sell side does best.
Casey: Evan said a couple billion. A couple by definition is two. Furthermore Evan said institutional investors asked for 50-75% premiums, which would cost an additional $500 mil. Reading between the lines, this really means that the company was just over a billion dollars, and instuitional investors were asking for a 50% premium on average. Meet them half way, 25%. Big Deal. What’s interesting is that there is no mention of whether the company was worth that 25% premium. Evan’s focus was to get the deal done and “earn” (or should I say collect) his fee. Evan never mentions whether his client actually increaed in value as a result of
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